MOVEON.ORG does not want free abortions

Then why do they want Obamacare, it will pay for abortions.   That is part of the bill.

If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?

H/T to American Papist

Tiller's Killer

Well, it seems to me everyone on the Left is blaming Tiller’s murder on Conservative Talk Radio or conservatives in General.   The idiot that murdered Tiller is no conservative and should not be anyway equated with the Conservative Movement.  This is a religious zealot, just as Al Queda and bin Ladin’s merry men that cut peoples head off under the guise of defending their religion. Yes, most on the Right are Pro-Life and want to see abortions banned or at least to have less every year.

While watching the news when Obama went to Notre Dame, they had the head of Operation Rescue on and he appalled me at what he was saying. It is the idiots like this that give people that are Pro-Life a bad name and inspire Roeder,or whatever his name is, to commit acts like this, Not Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Glenn Beck.  They are talking about changing peoples minds, not to go out there and commit murder.   People like uber liberal Rev Phelps and his family forment hatred more than Rush, Sean and Glenn pout together.

And make no mistake either that all Pro-Life groups are ultra Conservative or even Liberal in the sense we think.   Many are neither and are more Anarchistic in their views towards government.  You have the religious zealots that think it is their job to force their belief on everyone, and if they can not do it by changing minds,they do it by force.

And I do not consider these groups Christian, because they act as an antithesis to what Christianity tells you how to live. Yes, I am Pro-Life and think abortion is wrong and  should never be done by a doctor, just as assisted suicide is also wrong, it goes against everything a doctor is taught in ethics.  But that is another story.    And it is also destroying out Western Civilizations way of life because we are not having  enough children to sustain our way of life and will be over run by Muslims without war,which is also another story.

This is about a man that thought that he could be God and judge a man on Earth, just as the Islamists think theyare doing Allah’s Will.   This is not part of the Christian teaching and not part of whatConservatives want either.

This is a tragedy that should have never happened.  Say what you will about Tiller and what he does, he is a man and should have never been gunned down. I hope that this idiot getsthe book thrown at him and should show an example of how not to getthe Pro-Life viewpoint out there.

Abortion from the eyes of a child

H/T Domestic Divapalooza

Lady Rothschild toe to toe with Wolf Blitzer

Really cool exchange between Wolf Blitzer on CNN’s The Situation Room and Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild who was on the platform committee of the Democratic Party and a big supporter of Hilary.  She has switched to McCain and plans to campaign for him.  All I knew about her was that she was married to one the world’s richest men, whom Wolf called a "Baron" and she says is only a "knight".  Whatever.  She’s fascinating.  Grew up in a middle class family in New Jersey and is a graduate of Columbia Law School. 

Sarah could take some lessons from her on how to speak slower, calmly and to the point.   Unfortunately, Sarah is doing her learning in full view of the public. 

Anyway, give her a listen. 

I disagree with her about "choice" and that a right to abortion is somehow "in the Constitution", but I do agree with her that the Dems are using fear of Roe v Wade being overturned as a choke-hold on pro-choice women.  If Roe is overturned, abortion does not become illegal – the states will address the issue through their legislatures, as it should be.  Many legal scholars believe the case was wrongly decided on legal grounds and that there would not have been all this wrangling for 30+ years if the issue had been left to the legislature.  After all, people vote in and vote out the people they agree and disagree with.  The people have no control over what happens in the Supreme Court.   

Anyhow, what a great speaker on behalf of McCain.  She is not afraid of being tarred with the "trailer trash" or "white trash" brush being used against Sarah Palin.  In fact, I hope she will appear with Sarah now and then – what a combo.  Rothschild may be embellishing what she thinks about McCain in order to help get Obama out of the way for Hillary’s run in 2012, but that’s OK by me.   Her help might be akin to Rush’s Operation Chaos.  ha ha ha  Imagine Hilary and crew taking Rush as a role model.

McCain has also picked up the support of The Donald !!  Don’t you detect behind-the-scenes concerted activity by Hillary folks?

H/T The Gateway Pundit.  You can read his remarks about Rothschild here: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/lynn-forester-de-rothschild-rips-on.html

Julia

Why Sarah is Hated

Very perceptive observations on the Left, the MSM and Sarah Palin.

Why They Hate Her

Posted by Jonathan V. Last on September 4, 2008, 4:31 PM

There are reasonable criticisms that can be made of Sarah Palin, both as governor and a vice  presidential selection. Yet little of what we have seen in the last six days has been either reasonable or critical (in the traditional sense of the word). Instead, much of the left and many in the media simply lashed out at Palin, particularly at her family.

And not only the fringiest parts of the political fringe: A writer at the Washington Post attacked Palin for the fact that her seventeen-year-old daughter was going to have a baby. A writer for The Atlantic openly questioned whether or not Palin’s four-month-old baby, who has Down’s Syndrome, was actually hers. The utterly unfounded suggestion was that the baby was Palin’s daughter’s and that the governor had faked her pregnancy. Proof of the baby’s birth was demanded.

Again, we are not talking about an anonymous blogger at Daily Kos—this is the commentary from the Washington Post and The Atlantic Monthly. And there was more—much more—where that came from.

So why? What is it about Sarah Palin that convinced so much of the left to objectify and assault her so quickly, and with such manifest maliciousness? There are many reasons, but four of them stick out in particular, each having to do not with Palin’s politics, but with her family.

1) Trig Palin’s Down’s Syndrome is a challenge to their ideas about what represents worthwhile life. The fact that this Down’s baby was carried to term and not aborted is a statement that his life has the same value as all life. This is an idea with which the left vehemently disagrees.  [snip]

As such, the left sees Baby Trig as a provocation. Note today the commentators complaining that Trig has become a “prop” for Palin’s candidacy simply because the family took turns holding the four-month-old in public last night. . . . Instead of being viewed as just another baby, Trig is seen by the left as a little Terri Schiavo—an assertion of the value of all life and an affront to their belief that there are differences in what constitutes meaningful life.

2) Which leads, of course, to abortion. Palin’s family is a double-rebuke to the culture of abortion. First, there’s Palin’s decision not to kill Trig because he has Trisomy 21. Then there is seventeen-year-old Bristol Palin’s decision not to kill her baby.

Contrast this with Barack Obama’s statement that he would keep abortion legal so that if one of his daughters were to “make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” This statement is . . . objectively speaking, a pro-abortion statement.

3) Then there are Palin’s religious views. She is a lifelong Christian who belongs to an evangelical church. No further explanations should be needed about the provocations which emanate there from.

4) Finally, there’s the fertility. The Palin family’s five children would have been unexceptional forty years ago, but today constitute something of a fertility freak show. They’re the type of people for whom the epithet “breeder” was invented. . . . . According to the most recent census data, only 1.1 percent of non-Hispanic white women bear five or six children over the course of their lifetime. By contrast, 22.5 percent of these women never reproduce. The percentage of childlessness among women rises in a straight line with educational attainment.

Why the worry about this? First, there’s the fact that few of Palin’s tormenters can understand the fact of her large, traditional family. That is certainly not the way in which they have structured their lives.

Second, there is the left’s long-standing concern about overpopulation, which has become a staple of modern environmentalism, beginning with Paul Ehrlich’s 1968 best-seller The Population Bomb. Ehrlich preached a Malthusian near-future in which hundreds of millions would perish by famine as the world’s unchecked population growth spiraled to infinity. As it happens, Ehrlich’s predictions were entirely incorrect . . . Fertility rates around the globe are falling and world population will peak around nine billion by 2050. From there, we will experience population contraction.

But Ehrlich’s prognostications never fell far out of favor, particularly with environmentalists . . . To them, the prodigious Palin family is surely seen as taking more than its fair share.

And finally, there is the concern that the amped up fertility of people such as the Palins will lead to a less progressive future. . .  [A return to patriarchy which] will eventually be a return to a less politically and culturally progressive era.

As you can see, each of these facts about Sarah Palin touches upon deep sources of antagonism. Her opponents quickly intuited that the particulars of Palin’s story, on their own, stand as challenges to some of the most integral parts of their worldview, whether or not she ever makes them explicitly.

It isn’t any of Palin’s specific policies or ideological beliefs which have so antagonized the liberals (although they surely dislike her for policy reasons, too). They simply hate her for who she is.

Read the whole thing at First Things: http://www.firstthings.com/blog/2008/09/04/why-they-hate-her/   It makes sense.   And I’d add that many people use the idea that a woman can’t accomplish very much if she has more than one or two children as the reason they have given for not having kids or only one or two – to others and to themselves.  Sarah, with her great support system and liberated husband, shows it can be done.

Photo from the St Louis Post Dispatch – probably at Drew’s on the South Side. 

Julia    

Why Sarah is Hated

Very perceptive observations on the Left, the MSM and Sarah Palin.

Why They Hate Her

Posted by Jonathan V. Last on September 4, 2008, 4:31 PM

There are reasonable criticisms that can be made of Sarah Palin, both as governor and a vice  presidential selection. Yet little of what we have seen in the last six days has been either reasonable or critical (in the traditional sense of the word). Instead, much of the left and many in the media simply lashed out at Palin, particularly at her family.

And not only the fringiest parts of the political fringe: A writer at the Washington Post attacked Palin for the fact that her seventeen-year-old daughter was going to have a baby. A writer for The Atlantic openly questioned whether or not Palin’s four-month-old baby, who has Down’s Syndrome, was actually hers. The utterly unfounded suggestion was that the baby was Palin’s daughter’s and that the governor had faked her pregnancy. Proof of the baby’s birth was demanded.

Again, we are not talking about an anonymous blogger at Daily Kos—this is the commentary from the Washington Post and The Atlantic Monthly. And there was more—much more—where that came from.

So why? What is it about Sarah Palin that convinced so much of the left to objectify and assault her so quickly, and with such manifest maliciousness? There are many reasons, but four of them stick out in particular, each having to do not with Palin’s politics, but with her family.

1) Trig Palin’s Down’s Syndrome is a challenge to their ideas about what represents worthwhile life. The fact that this Down’s baby was carried to term and not aborted is a statement that his life has the same value as all life. This is an idea with which the left vehemently disagrees.  [snip]

As such, the left sees Baby Trig as a provocation. Note today the commentators complaining that Trig has become a “prop” for Palin’s candidacy simply because the family took turns holding the four-month-old in public last night. . . . Instead of being viewed as just another baby, Trig is seen by the left as a little Terri Schiavo—an assertion of the value of all life and an affront to their belief that there are differences in what constitutes meaningful life.

2) Which leads, of course, to abortion. Palin’s family is a double-rebuke to the culture of abortion. First, there’s Palin’s decision not to kill Trig because he has Trisomy 21. Then there is seventeen-year-old Bristol Palin’s decision not to kill her baby.

Contrast this with Barack Obama’s statement that he would keep abortion legal so that if one of his daughters were to “make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” This statement is . . . objectively speaking, a pro-abortion statement.

3) Then there are Palin’s religious views. She is a lifelong Christian who belongs to an evangelical church. No further explanations should be needed about the provocations which emanate there from.

4) Finally, there’s the fertility. The Palin family’s five children would have been unexceptional forty years ago, but today constitute something of a fertility freak show. They’re the type of people for whom the epithet “breeder” was invented. . . . . According to the most recent census data, only 1.1 percent of non-Hispanic white women bear five or six children over the course of their lifetime. By contrast, 22.5 percent of these women never reproduce. The percentage of childlessness among women rises in a straight line with educational attainment.

Why the worry about this? First, there’s the fact that few of Palin’s tormenters can understand the fact of her large, traditional family. That is certainly not the way in which they have structured their lives.

Second, there is the left’s long-standing concern about overpopulation, which has become a staple of modern environmentalism, beginning with Paul Ehrlich’s 1968 best-seller The Population Bomb. Ehrlich preached a Malthusian near-future in which hundreds of millions would perish by famine as the world’s unchecked population growth spiraled to infinity. As it happens, Ehrlich’s predictions were entirely incorrect . . . Fertility rates around the globe are falling and world population will peak around nine billion by 2050. From there, we will experience population contraction.

But Ehrlich’s prognostications never fell far out of favor, particularly with environmentalists . . . To them, the prodigious Palin family is surely seen as taking more than its fair share.

And finally, there is the concern that the amped up fertility of people such as the Palins will lead to a less progressive future. . .  [A return to patriarchy which] will eventually be a return to a less politically and culturally progressive era.

As you can see, each of these facts about Sarah Palin touches upon deep sources of antagonism. Her opponents quickly intuited that the particulars of Palin’s story, on their own, stand as challenges to some of the most integral parts of their worldview, whether or not she ever makes them explicitly.

It isn’t any of Palin’s specific policies or ideological beliefs which have so antagonized the liberals (although they surely dislike her for policy reasons, too). They simply hate her for who she is.

Read the whole thing at First Things: http://www.firstthings.com/blog/2008/09/04/why-they-hate-her/   It makes sense.   And I’d add that many people use the idea that a woman can’t accomplish very much if she has more than one or two children as the reason they have given for not having kids or only one or two – to others and to themselves.  Sarah, with her great support system and liberated husband, shows it can be done.

Photo from the St Louis Post Dispatch – probably at Drew’s on the South Side. 

Julia    

Sarah Palin and the Culture Wars – What the Libs Don’t Get

From the Nashville Post:

The Battle Of Bristol: John McCain Has The Upper Hand

By Kleinheider Posted on September 1, 2008 at 3:09 pm

The revelation that 17 year-old Bristol Palin is pregnant will have an impact on this race, no question. . . Democrats will pounce on the fact that, yet again, a socially conservative pol who cautions abstinence for others did not seem to instill those values in her own teenage daughter.

[snip]

Sarah Palin is a working mom with five kids who managed to become Governor of her state. Now Palin has been confronted with the great fear, and for many, the difficult reality of a pregnant teenage daughter. Sarah Palin lived by a code and tried to have her kids live by it as well. Did she fail?

Maybe she did. But as many parents know, you do the best you can with your children.

The Left will fight this battle as a political debate. They will argue that Bristol Palin proves their assertions about traditionalism. They will lay it out point by point. The evidence will be solid. And their case will make sense — in theory.

But this is not theory, and to a certain extent its not even politics, this is life. Steve Schmidt is not wrong when in reaction to the news he says, “Life happens.”

Life does happen. It happens again and again to people in rural America who go to church, work and pray hard. Everyday life happens. Despite their prayers, it happens.

The Left simply misunderstands the Cultural War because they believe that social and religious conservatives think they are perfect people. Rural, working class people know exactly who they are. The Left seems to think that they are somehow breaking the news to social conservatives that sometimes, even often, kids will have sex and get pregnant. Social conservatives know these things. They are not as divorced from reality as they sometimes get painted.

You see, conservatives have code by which they live that accounts for it all. Whether they are “right” or “wrong” is immaterial. It is the Left’s misunderstanding which is important here.

Conservatives know they are imperfect. Instead of embracing the imperfection and “giving up” they instead prefer to strive for something better.

Now, whether this conservative outlook is true or untrue, healthy or unhealthy is, again, not the point, politically speaking. Telling the American working class that Sarah Palin was wrong to have tried to bring up her daughters by a code in which she believed and that Bristol Palin’s unborn child is the proof that the Left’s arguments about traditional life are true will not resonate with anyone who is not already an Obama voter.

The Left cannot win this Battle of Bristol. The more they try to win it, to demonstrate they are right, the more they will lose ground with those voters they desperate need to stay home or vote for Barack Obama.

For what the Left sees as hypocrisy, most folks who are not Obama voters just see as falling short. As, of course, we, as humans, all do.

Bristol Palin’s journey is a human story. She tried to be good. She fell short. Instead of aborting the baby she will carry it to term and marry the father. To socially conservative America, there is nothing tragic about this.

You see, to many of the voters Barack Obama has not yet seemed to reach and who have thus far been ambivalent about McCain, this is exactly how these things are supposed to go. Their reality has not been shaken, the scales have not fallen from their eyes.

Sarah Palin did nothing “wrong.” And Bristol Palin did nothing other than sin, which we all do. She is now managing her sin as prescribed by tradition. To the traditionalist the situation is not ideal, no, but it is not a disaster.

This is a human story. The more the left attacks, attempts to expose “hypocrisy”, the more the personal will very much become the political. Unfortunately it will become political in a way that leads all those hard working Bubbas, all those church-going single mommas, right out to the polls to vote for that war hero and and those women they now identify with, Sarah and Bristol Palin.

To the Left, this situation looks like that big fat change-up they have been waiting for coming right across the plate. Let me assure you, friends, what is coming at you is a knuckleball, a greased pig with wings.

You are gonna want to take this pitch. You may win the “argument”, but you will lose the election.

– – – – – – – – – –

Read the whole thing here: http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2008/09/01/the-battle-of-bristol-john-mccain-has-the-upperhand/

Julia

Sarah Palin and the Culture Wars – What the Libs Don't Get

From the Nashville Post:

The Battle Of Bristol: John McCain Has The Upper Hand

By Kleinheider Posted on September 1, 2008 at 3:09 pm

The revelation that 17 year-old Bristol Palin is pregnant will have an impact on this race, no question. . . Democrats will pounce on the fact that, yet again, a socially conservative pol who cautions abstinence for others did not seem to instill those values in her own teenage daughter.

[snip]

Sarah Palin is a working mom with five kids who managed to become Governor of her state. Now Palin has been confronted with the great fear, and for many, the difficult reality of a pregnant teenage daughter. Sarah Palin lived by a code and tried to have her kids live by it as well. Did she fail?

Maybe she did. But as many parents know, you do the best you can with your children.

The Left will fight this battle as a political debate. They will argue that Bristol Palin proves their assertions about traditionalism. They will lay it out point by point. The evidence will be solid. And their case will make sense — in theory.

But this is not theory, and to a certain extent its not even politics, this is life. Steve Schmidt is not wrong when in reaction to the news he says, “Life happens.”

Life does happen. It happens again and again to people in rural America who go to church, work and pray hard. Everyday life happens. Despite their prayers, it happens.

The Left simply misunderstands the Cultural War because they believe that social and religious conservatives think they are perfect people. Rural, working class people know exactly who they are. The Left seems to think that they are somehow breaking the news to social conservatives that sometimes, even often, kids will have sex and get pregnant. Social conservatives know these things. They are not as divorced from reality as they sometimes get painted.

You see, conservatives have code by which they live that accounts for it all. Whether they are “right” or “wrong” is immaterial. It is the Left’s misunderstanding which is important here.

Conservatives know they are imperfect. Instead of embracing the imperfection and “giving up” they instead prefer to strive for something better.

Now, whether this conservative outlook is true or untrue, healthy or unhealthy is, again, not the point, politically speaking. Telling the American working class that Sarah Palin was wrong to have tried to bring up her daughters by a code in which she believed and that Bristol Palin’s unborn child is the proof that the Left’s arguments about traditional life are true will not resonate with anyone who is not already an Obama voter.

The Left cannot win this Battle of Bristol. The more they try to win it, to demonstrate they are right, the more they will lose ground with those voters they desperate need to stay home or vote for Barack Obama.

For what the Left sees as hypocrisy, most folks who are not Obama voters just see as falling short. As, of course, we, as humans, all do.

Bristol Palin’s journey is a human story. She tried to be good. She fell short. Instead of aborting the baby she will carry it to term and marry the father. To socially conservative America, there is nothing tragic about this.

You see, to many of the voters Barack Obama has not yet seemed to reach and who have thus far been ambivalent about McCain, this is exactly how these things are supposed to go. Their reality has not been shaken, the scales have not fallen from their eyes.

Sarah Palin did nothing “wrong.” And Bristol Palin did nothing other than sin, which we all do. She is now managing her sin as prescribed by tradition. To the traditionalist the situation is not ideal, no, but it is not a disaster.

This is a human story. The more the left attacks, attempts to expose “hypocrisy”, the more the personal will very much become the political. Unfortunately it will become political in a way that leads all those hard working Bubbas, all those church-going single mommas, right out to the polls to vote for that war hero and and those women they now identify with, Sarah and Bristol Palin.

To the Left, this situation looks like that big fat change-up they have been waiting for coming right across the plate. Let me assure you, friends, what is coming at you is a knuckleball, a greased pig with wings.

You are gonna want to take this pitch. You may win the “argument”, but you will lose the election.

– – – – – – – – – –

Read the whole thing here: http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2008/09/01/the-battle-of-bristol-john-mccain-has-the-upperhand/

Julia

We know about Bristol’s pregnacy – Why not other politicians’ daughters?

The following is from Slate magazine.

Miss Conceptions

The invisible pregnancies of presidential daughters.

By William Saletan
Posted Tuesday, Sept. 2, 2008, at 8:29 AM ET

Is Sarah Palin the first nominee on a major-party presidential ticket whose daughter got pregnant out of wedlock? Or is she just the first whose daughter didn’t get an abortion?

The reason you’re reading about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy is that she’s taking it to term. If she had aborted it, you’d never have known. Which raises the question: How many other daughters of nominees have gotten knocked up without your knowledge?

The writer then makes an analysis of the 37 daughters between 17 and 30 of candidates for president and vice president beginning in 1964.  The he uses statistics from Guttmacher to come up with   

the rate of unintended pregnancy among 18- to 29-year-olds in the higher income bracket is probably around 6 percent to 7 percent.

An unintended pregnancy rate of 6 to 7 percent, in a population of 37 women, means two to three pregnancies per year. Even if you discount the rate further, on the grounds that these are the wealthiest and best-educated families, the notion that none of these young women got knocked up before their parents’ nominations or elections is—pardon the term—almost inconceivable.

If any of these daughters conceived, but no pregnancy or birth was reported, what happened? One possibility is miscarriage. But the Guttmacher analysis suggests a different answer: Most unintended pregnancies in the higher income and education brackets end in abortion.

Remember that before you judge or poke fun at Sarah Palin. She’s not the candidate whose daughter messed up. She’s the candidate who didn’t get rid of the mess.

Read the whole thing at http://www.slate.com/id/2199086/

McCain just arrived at the airport.  All 7 of his kids were there to greet him as well as Sarah’s family.  Bristol’s fiance was with her and holding her hand.  McCain stopped and gave her a great big hug, talked with her and Levi and clapped Levi on the back.  Great move on his part – it was very touching.  I think they’re going to be fine; the worst is over.  Looking forward to Sarah’s speech tonight.

Julia